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ROBYN WALKER

JOHN PETROZZI: Hi. Welcome to Living Is Easy. I’m John Petrozzi. Today, we’re really lucky to be speaking with Robyn Walker from “Conversations with Robyn.”

Hi, Robyn, thanks for coming on the show today.

ROBYN WALKER: Hi, John, and thank you so much for inviting me.

JOHN PETROZZI: Absolute pleasure. I remember seeing you on TV. It was community television; I think it was Channel 31.

ROBYN WALKER: Yes, TVS in Sydney.

JOHN PETROZZI: That’s right, yeah, some time ago. I remember you speaking with an inspirational speaker and I can’t remember for the life of me who it was. But I was intrigued and I got glued to the television and watched right through. I just found it amazing.

Also, you got a website called conversationswithrobyn.com, and you’ve got interviews on there with people, like Gregg Braden, Drs. Eric Pearl, John Demartini, Joe Dispenza, Bruce Lipton, and there’s a couple of them on the site.

ROBYN WALKER: They are. We’ve filmed probably 69 programs altogether for the last number of years, and the majority of those shows are up. You click on to the appropriate link on the show website and it will take you through to another website, where you can view them all online.

JOHN PETROZZI: Fantastic. Can you tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got into business of personal growth and self-development?

ROBYN WALKER: Looong journey, John.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah.

ROBYN WALKER: Because I’m not exactly a pop anymore. I guess, even as a young kid, I used to kind of look at the world and question a lot of the stuff that I saw adults do, and I used to do a lot of poetry and letter-writing. I had a career in the advertising industry and after a number of years, it felt very plastic to me. At the age of 33, I guess I was undergoing a social consciousness, as well as a spiritual consciousness, and ended up throwing in the job and sold the house and moved to Queensland.

JOHN PETROZZI: Wow.

ROBYN WALKER: And there’s a spiritual saying that says, “When we take the first step, we’re given the next nine.”

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah, I’ve heard that.

ROBYN WALKER: Yeah. And there’s also that other one that’s—what’s that saying—about, you know, “We could make the plans, but then there’s another plan for us.”

JOHN PETROZZI: Yup. I see what you’re saying. So it was quite a life change.

ROBYN WALKER: It was a huge one, and that took me into an area where I moved into training with a Hyatt Regency at Coolum. They had an outdoor corporate training course, you know, high ropes, low ropes, those sorts of stuff. That actually gave me the confidence to be seen and be heard, because that was never part of my conscious journey.

You know, back in the early 90s, we had the Donahue show, when we had the Oprah in the beginnings of her program, and they were the inspiration for me. I thought, “One day, I would sure love to have my own program where I had people on who truly did make a difference and have them on for an hour.” So I think with an hour, you really get to find out the person’s journey, their trials and tribulations, and not just the work they do in the world.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yes, sure.

ROBYN WALKER: That was, I guess, the brief history behind all that, and it was when Channel 31 in Sydney went back on air again a couple of years ago—they were after programs—that was when, I guess, the light sort of went, “Okay, this is my time to give it a go.”

JOHN PETROZZI: Fantastic. And haven’t looked back since?

ROBYN WALKER: I haven’t looked back since on one level. I mean, even I, sometimes, go, “My goodness, how amazing that we attracted the likes of Neale Donald Walsch, and as you mentioned, Gregg Braden, the Eric Pearls, the Caroline Maces– so many of the big international names that were in Australia in 2007. I was so blessed to be able to sit across from them and eyeballed them and spent an hour with them.

JOHN PETROZZI: Fantastic.

ROBYN WALKER: The show was not in production at the moment. I needed to make that. You know, the interesting thing, John, when you and I spoke earlier, it was one of those questions, “What did you learn from these people?” The time came for me in producing the show with my partner that was also from there, because Community TV doesn’t pay people to produce their programs, and I was starting to become a bit of a whingy-whiney person, as in doing all these great work for other people, but my own life was kind of starting to go down the tube, because producing a TV program takes a lot of time and a lot of energy and a lot of money. I just realised I needed to kind of pull back and get the show to a more commercial level. That’s where the show is at the moment.

JOHN PETROZZI: Fantastic. Onwards and upwards!

ROBYN WALKER: Very much so. It’s such a powerful TV show. I mean, as we know, Obama gets inaugurated as the 44th president – what an enormous change for the planet!

JOHN PETROZZI: Amazing, isn’t it?

ROBYN WALKER: It is. We’re in great powerful times.

JOHN PETROZZI: That’s right. Robyn, can you speak more about the breakthrough you had when you’re 33, because I often speak to people and they say, “Gee, I just came to a point in my life where things just didn’t add up to me anymore, and I just wanted to have to make a change, and I wanted to do what was right for me and follow my true purpose.” What was it that you realised at the time, and what were those actions that you, I suppose, took to push you in that direction?

ROBYN WALKER: Well, I guess, firstly, one of the big catalysts for me, with my developing social consciousness, was that book by Shirley MacLaine, “Out on a Limb.”

JOHN PETROZZI: All right. I haven’t heard that one.

ROBYN WALKER: Yeah. She had written a couple of books before that, but this was her first sort of personal spiritual development book. She was actually writing it to pooh-pooh the spiritual stuff.

JOHN PETROZZI: All right.

ROBYN WALKER: Yeah, interesting, given where she is and what she does.

JOHN PETROZZI: Wow. Okay.

ROBYN WALKER: And in her journey of doing some research, she started to discover that the philosophers, the great teachers of old, so to speak, all spoke about the commonality of the spiritual journey of the human soul. Through that is how she had her spiritual awakening, and it was such a catalyst for a lot of people. I was given that book by a friend, who was also at that time with my advertising career path, where the agency I was working with was going to take on a cigarette client. One of my smaller clients was a cancer counselor of New South Wales and they had a policy that if any agency they were with took on a cigarette client, then they would have to leave that agency, because obviously, it wasn’t compatible.

JOHN PETROZZI: That’s right.

ROBYN WALKER: The interesting thing was we’ve done an amazing TV advertising program with the cancer counselor and I had a letter from a woman who wrote in to say, “Thank you so much for the commercials. I did self-examination, found a lump in my breast.” Because it hadn’t gotten to the stage of being too dangerous, she felt that the advertisement saved her life.

JOHN PETROZZI: Wow!

ROBYN WALKER: And given I was in a stage of questioning, I just knew, you know, ethically, that I could not stay with that agency anymore. I had also been questioning, you know, I really wanted to write to make a difference as a writer, kind of hide behind the typewriter—it’s all typewriters back then—so that’s when I kind of bit the bullet and resigned and, as I said, sold the house and moved to Queensland to write and also to just discover more of who I was in this amazing planet of ours.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah. Was it just the readings that you had been doing that brought you to that point – or family interactions, people interactions throughout your life?

ROBYN WALKER: I was already questioning; I guess it was very much my soul was calling out to me. Even as a kid, I kind of knew that there was something that I needed to do. I honestly believe that every single one of us has a purpose, has a destiny. For me, as I say, I always thought it was through writing, but in that journey, it took me to an upfront role. The other interesting thing, John, about the “33 age,” in astrology, we have our Saturn Return in our late 20s, early 30s. It’s often when we do a re-assessment of our life. I’ve often seen 33 as the sort of the Christ number, you know, it’s when Jesus supposedly started his work in the world.

Part of what I do is I’m a personal development/team development trainer, so I do programs with companies and community organisations, and I also have a résumé business. When I speak with people to find out their information to do their résumés, it’s amazing how many people do have a life-changing aspect around about that early 30 mark.

JOHN PETROZZI: Interesting, isn’t it?

ROBYN WALKER: It really is.

JOHN PETROZZI: What does it say for me? I’m 33.

ROBYN WALKER: You’re 33? Ahh, no wonder the interest.

JOHN PETROZZI: Isn’t that interesting?

ROBYN WALKER: It’s very much so. Are you already 33 or 33 this year?

JOHN PETROZZI: 33 last year.

ROBYN WALKER: What month?

JOHN PETROZZI: March.

ROBYN WALKER: Ah, so you’ll be 34 coming up – very powerful time then.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah. Isn’t that interesting? I’ll keep an eye out for that, actually.

ROBYN WALKER: Is there anything that you’ve been kind of playing with or any ideas of stepping into a larger aspect somewhere?

JOHN PETROZZI: Well, you know, I can definitely see those things happening. There are sorts of things that I personally want to start to push myself in towards. And I should be aware in the process, not just sort of fall into something and think, “Whoa! Where did that come from? Isn’t that great?” I’d rather be in a position of, you know, appreciate the journey, as they say, and sort of look around who’s in my life at the moment who is helping me in those situations and what is it that I want to do.

That’s why I really wanted to speak too about, I suppose, that breakthrough that you had at that age, because I see a lot of people going through that now. I’m a chiropractor so I speak to a lot of people, and they often talk about, “Gee, I’d really love to do this, and I dream about doing these sorts of things,” and “I’ve always wanted to do this sort of thing when I was a kid.”

The question that always comes to my mind is “What’s stopping you?” Is it the fact that you’re sort of stuck in that role of where you are, for instance, in your situation in an advertising role and business? Or is it their conditioning that sort of holds them back? I often question myself in those situations as well and try to figure out, “Gee, what is it that I really want to do? Am I doing it? If I’m not, what’s holding me back?” These are the sorts of questions that come a lot.

ROBYN WALKER: Well, it’s interesting because, you know, we talked about, you mentioned the journey, and the other thing in doing people’s résumés, we often think, I mean, young people are quite often sort of almost forced into, “Well, you need to make a career decision on what you’re going to do with the rest of your life.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah.

ROBYN WALKER: And you know, it is such a journey. In an indigenous culture, they say we don’t get to be an elder until we are 56, because we haven’t really had the life experience until such time to be able to then have that wisdom to impart to the tribe. And yet here we are, forcing our young people to make a life decision, which sometimes, it’s not meant to do that at that time.

JOHN PETROZZI: That’s right. Yeah.

ROBYN WALKER: And the other thing I noticed in doing this—I’ve been doing the system since 1989, off and on—when someone’s been out in the workplace for a number of years, it’s almost like we go into the world after we leave school or uni, and we go on different jobs and different situations, and we pick up tools and once we put these tools in our little kit bag, then somewhere down the track we bring all these tools together and then we find our life purpose. That so takes the pressure off a person.

JOHN PETROZZI: That’s right.

ROBYN WALKER: It’s not about having to know it all now. That’s one of the things, I guess, in my own journey—because I’m actually 58 in April and blessed with probably with a very youthful body and youthful spirit (thank goodness)—but that’s probably one of the major things I’ve learned: to not have to decide what we’re going to do for the rest of our life today, because tomorrow, it changes.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah. And it’s okay – the changes.

ROBYN WALKER: It’s the most brilliant thing. Once we get used to change, it’s such a wonderful journey.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah. Change is one of those things that can provoke a lot of fear; I know in the past it has done for me. People say, “Embrace the change; move with it.” when you actually live that and own that change, it’s quite empowering, because it means that you’re not stuck in the past things that you haven’t done or guilty about, and not fearful about moving towards the future.

ROBYN WALKER: Absolutely. I always figure, “As long as we’re breathing, we always have the absolute power within to change anything, including what may be deemed a debilitating life-threatening disease.

JOHN PETROZZI: Hm. Can you speak more about that?

ROBYN WALKER: Well, I guess, once again, through all the reading of things, I had been doing it at an early age, and when I let go of the advertising career and moved to Queensland, I actually ended up in Noosa. Noosa, at that time back in 1974, was very much a place where a lot of people kind of ended up that were on a huge spiritual journey. A lot of incredible teachers were there. To me, that was my apprenticeship, under those next 13 years that I lived there.

The one common thread with all these amazing teachers and authors, etcetera, is that whole thing that we’re spiritual beings having a human experience, and our bodies always have the absolute ability to change at any stage. We can either bring in a disease and/or we can let go of a disease, depending on our thoughts and our emotions.

Having had so many amazing people on the show, they all basically in their own way are talking about the same thing – the power that we have to create.  For me, one of my most favorite, favorite teachers now is Abraham. Have you heard of Abraham, John, through Esther and Jerry Hicks?

JOHN PETROZZI: I have, yeah. Can you tell us a bit more about them?

ROBYN WALKER: I don’t know the belief system of your audience, but it’s well worth checking out. Their website is www.abraham-hicks.com. But in a nutshell, esther and Jerry Hicks have been working with Abraham, and they describe Abraham as a group consciousness from the nonphysical dimension. Some of the great teachers on the planet at the moment—Wayne Dyer, Louise Hay, Neale Donald Walsch—are all saying that he is one of the master teachers on the planet at the moment.

JOHN PETROZZI: Wow.

ROBYN WALKER: And pretty much what Abraham talks about through Esther is very much about that whole aspect of how our thoughts absolutely create our world. Now, we gain some of that through “The Secret” DVD. Abraham and Esther were on the original “Secret” DVD, and for whatever reason, they chose to be taken off it, so that the DVD out there at the moment doesn’t have them on there.

JOHN PETROZZI: Oh, I didn’t realise that.

ROBYN WALKER: Yeah. And you can actually go on to the Abraham website and you can hear Abraham say why they chose to come off the “Secret” DVD. It was no great 0:15:20.0 reason; it was just a slight difference, I guess, in belief systems and vibrations.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah. Okay.

ROBYN WALKER: Because very much what they talk about are vibrations. The vibrations of our emotions is what brings in the good stuff or the not-so-good stuff. They call it our “emotional guidance system.” And if people go on to their website and have a look at it, it’s just, to me, they are the most- I listen to their CDs constantly in the car. They are brilliant.

JOHN PETROZZI: It’s pretty interesting what you’re talking about. We had an interview recently with Suzana Dekanovic who’s a clinical psychologist. We were speaking about emotions. She went through a process of describing how someone has an emotion and you got a choice whether to ignore it or allow it to take you over, or stop and look at the emotions and see what it is and actually feel it and let it encompass you. Then, she went through a process of speaking about, almost talking to the emotion and externalising it (it is part of you, but externalising it) because it made it easy to do and figure out where it came from and how it’s serving a purpose and learning from it.

Is this the same sort of stuff that Hicks is speaking about in terms of emotion and vibration?

ROBYN WALKER: Absolutely. But there’s also a gentleman called David Hawkins (people can Google “David Hawkins”). “Power vs. Force” is one of his books. He actually calibrated our emotions. So, for example, the emotion shame only calibrates it at like 20; whereas, the calibration of Christ-consciousness is at 1,000.

JOHN PETROZZI: Wow.

ROBYN WALKER: There are different levels of calibration, and basically, anything it calibrates below 200 in our emotions is vibration where we’re just operating in a survival mode. From there—you know, there’s that saying about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer—when you start looking at this sort of stuff that David Hawkins and Abraham talk about, it’s one of those blinding flash of the obvious. It’s like, “That’s how it works.” It really isn’t the fact that because they’re rich they get more of everything, but it’s because of how they calibrate, it’s how they see money. If we’re scared of losing money, then we’re going to keep losing money because that’s our calibration.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah. That’s what you tune your dial to.

ROBYN WALKER: It’s a beautiful one: That’s what we tune our dial to.

JOHN PETROZZI: You’ve spoken to—I can’t remember who it was on your website—it was a spiritual teacher, and she was speaking about aura, seeing auras and feeling auras.

ROBYN WALKER: Kim Fraser?

JOHN PETROZZI: It may have been. Is this the sort of stuff that they’re speaking about, the stuff that Hawkins is speaking about in terms of vibrations? Is that what the spiritual healer is seeing?

ROBYN WALKER: That’s what someone who is clairvisual would see absolutely. They would see it as a colour and/or as a vibration.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah. So bring it back down away from-

ROBYN WALKER: Hooley gooley?

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah. Bring it back down to sort of what we can do here and now is we can actually affect our vibrations, our aura, or the way people perceive us and the way we perceive ourselves by taking a step back, looking at our emotions and understanding them, and also being able to appreciate a change in them.

ROBYN WALKER: Absolutely. I mean, we’ve been hearing for years, for example, with conflict resolution courses. One of the things I talk about is “If you’re in an argument, count to ten, just breathe, and walk away from it for a moment” to let that emotion of anger just kind of subside and bring it a little bit more reason. So this is all the stuff that has been taught to us in the practical level—eons, I guess—and it’s the David Hawkins’ [scepters] of the world that are now giving us that finer tuning of understanding around us.

But I guess putting it in a much more grounded level, it’s like if I’m unhappy, what’s the feeling? Just asking ourselves, “What am I feeling at the moment? What is the thought that’s creating that feeling?” because the thought is creating the feeling.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah, that’s right.

ROBYN WALKER: And it’s a case of if we’re really feeling very fearful or very angry, to do that huge jump into feeling love and wonders for everyone is probably too big a jump.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yes. Yeah.

ROBYN WALKER: But if we can just go to that next level of just being neutral about what’s happening, to not have too much emotion going in the anger bit and just do that breathing for a moment, we can actually just move our emotions up what they call the “emotional guidance scale.”

JOHN PETROZZI: And really what you’re doing by taking a step back for ten seconds is coming out of your head and probably coming back to your heart and your gut feeling and taking a true perception of what you’re actually feeling.

ROBYN WALKER: Absolutely. You know, as I say, I do training with companies and community organisations, etcetera, and for me, one of the key things is separating person from behaviour. I truly believe that we are all powerful loving beings that we come in without harmful intent. This life then brings in, you know, different challenges, and depending on the environment we grew up in, absolutely, we can be role-modeled into acting out in a violent way or acting out in a loving way.

That is the difference, though: It’s the behaviour. So, poor behaviour can also be unlearned. If we, as individuals, are judging people by their behaviour and making the person wrong, then we’re vibrating at a very low emotion. That will affect what we bring in to our lives. I think when people understand that and understand their whole aspect of “what we put out, we get back,” then it’s like we then start to understand that we’re creating, either the good stuff on the planet or the stuff that we say we don’t anymore but we’re actually hoping to create it by saying we don’t want it anymore. The focus is on the negative.

JOHN PETROZZI: It makes a lot of sense. From all the interviews you’ve done—and they’ve been lots and lots of great interviews—what have you learned from some of these speakers that have taught you how to get out of an emotional state that’s really not conducive to fulfilling your life’s purpose and actually getting you back into an inspired state?

ROBYN WALKER: Well, firstly, just speaking about the state first, probably one of the most powerful things is the fact that they do sometimes go below the line in their emotions and their behaviour. One of the common questions I would ask was “Do you still get angry? If so, how long and how do you get out of it?” And it was always refreshing for me to hear—like I asked that of Neale Donald Walsch—he said he probably has those feelings more than most people that he gets stressed, and he’s learned how to move through them quickly.

They didn’t necessarily say how they got out of it; it was simply the fact that because they know very clearly “who we all are, and therefore who they are,” they were just able. Because of that knowledge, it moves back up very quickly.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah. Okay.

ROBYN WALKER: I guess it’s like unconscious competence. It’s like when we drive a car, we’re so competent at it that we drive the car without even thinking, really.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah, that’s right.

ROBYN WALKER: and to me, that’s how they handle their emotions. It’s like “Whoops! I’m out of integrity,” and then bam! They go straight back up again, because they’ve consciously recognised they’re out of integrity.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah, and it takes practice.

ROBYN WALKER: It takes practice like anything in the world.  Then, the big thing is not to berate ourselves when we don’t do it quick enough according to us. All we’re doing is doing poor behaviour if we keep berating ourselves.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah. Wow.

ROBYN WALKER: We just got to be so gentle on ourselves, because we really are okay. We really are all okay, and the more I think that we come from feeling okay and that our intent is to do good, then we will start creating more of that, and not berate ourselves so often.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah. Beautifully put. We’ve got so much to talk about, but we’re running out of time. I want to ask you a question about a program I saw you on, and again, it was on Channel 31. You were coaching a group of young kids that were in their teens. I remember they were doing some personal development things, experiential learning in a camping environment, and you interviewed them at the end. Some of these kids just came out with some beautiful answers to the questions you were asking them, in relation to what they had learned and how they can apply that to their life.

ROBYN WALKER: Yup.

JOHN PETROZZI: Can you tell us a bit more about kids and the importance of setting them onto a straight path, or being just there to support them?

ROBYN WALKER: Okay. Yeah. But that was not the survival; we did a program for an organisation called “The Valley Center,” who were very much about providing, not a survivor program for the kids go out in the land for five days. It’s 170 acres of the most pristine land out near [0:24:22].

JOHN PETROZZI: Beautiful.

ROBYN WALKER: And because of my facilitation skills, I was blessed to not just be there to film it, but also to participate as a facilitator.

You know, I guess that whole thing is “our children are our future,” and anything that we do in their presence, they will role model. So you know, I have a pet thing about jails and hospitals; I honestly believe that our jails and our hospitals are filled with people who are really hurt emotionally and they either internalise that incredible pain and anger and torment-

JOHN PETROZZI: And produce disease?

ROBYN WALKER: -and come up with disease, or they externalise it and harm others, depending on what they do and it depends on if they get in a hospital or jail. I’ve worked in jails, and I just think, “We need to change our focus in this planet.”

JOHN PETROZZI: Yup.

ROBYN WALKER: And so, you know, if a young kid is brought up in a violent environment, chances are, that young kid is going to learn how to do that. You know, there’s that African saying about “it takes a whole tribe to raise a child,” and I really believe that. Too often, we’re condemning our young people, and unfortunately, we are in such a materialistic society we forgot about rituals. So young kids, because they don’t have a ritual, when they come in to puberty and they don’t have a ritual where they go out and spend a couple of days on the land and connect with nature, so they’re going to push the envelope by driving fast cars or doing a whole bunch of body piercings or whatever. I think if we could kind of get and start to take our young people back out into nature and spend time with them, camping on the land so they get their own self-esteem by doing stuff together as a team on the land, so much of the so-called “ills of our society” would just change overnight.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yup.

ROBYN WALKER: They can’t not.

JOHN PETROZZI: I totally agree with that – a rite of passage or initiation into a new phase of life, all those things.

ROBYN WALKER: Yup. Secret men’s business and secret women’s business. You know, we’ve often seen our indigenous cultures as being barbaric or people who aren’t as intelligent as us, because they don’t build skyscrapers. But it’s like “Hello?”

JOHN PETROZZI: Exactly.

ROBYN WALKER: Hopefully, we will start having a little bit more humility and start to learn from our indigenous peoples.

JOHN PETROZZI: Beautiful. Robyn, what’s your mission and purpose?

ROBYN WALKER: Our mission and purpose is first and foremost to evolve the human being. I’m really starting to enjoy my journey, at long last. I have to tell you, it’s becoming a real joy to see myself evolve as a person. Secondly, to help people remember who they are, because all those stuff that all these amazing teachers and authors are out there telling us, we already know all this; we’ve just kind of forgotten it.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yup.

ROBYN WALKER: And as people awaken to the potential of who they are, they not only find happiness and outer joy, but they also then start connecting, and we start to see ourselves as a global village. That’s one of the reasons, you know, my big vision is to take the program out, syndicated internationally to get more people and to spread the information to wake us all up.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah. Beautiful.

ROBYN WALKER: Heaven on earth, it’s absolutely possible. I certainly wouldn’t call myself a religious person per se—not that I’m knocking religion—but to me, there’s a spiritual area that we’re all part of, with the animals, the birds, the trees, the water – we’re so interconnected and we are getting there. Obama’s inauguration: what a magical amazing time for humanity.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah. Beautiful.

ROBYN WALKER: Hang on for the ride!

JOHN PETROZZI: Exactly.

ROBYN WALKER: We’ll still be a little rocky maybe; however, what’s at the end of it and on the way are beautiful.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah. Guess what, Robyn, that’s all we’ve got time for.

ROBYN WALKER: That’s very cool, John. Thank you so much.

JOHN PETROZZI: I really appreciate you coming on to speak to us, Robyn. Just the amount of things we’ve spoken about today is just phenomenal. It’s going to take me a week or two to digest exactly what we’ve spoken about. I’m sure that there’s going to be some pills in there for our listeners to take home and hopefully implement into their lives for a better future and a better life.

ROBYN WALKER: Well, that’s what it’s all about. There is also that saying about, “Listen to learn, learn to teach.” We’re all teachers, we’re all students, we’re all leaders, we’re all followers, and when people really get that aspect of themselves and pass on information, then the whole thing accelerates.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yup. Beautiful. Robyn, thanks again. We really appreciate it.

ROBYN WALKER: You’re welcome. Let’s get together for a cup I’d love to make you and have a longer chat.

JOHN PETROZZI: Yeah, that would be beautiful actually.

ROBYN WALKER: Okay, you’re on.

JOHN PETROZZI: Thanks, Robyn.

You’ve been listening to Living Is Easy. I’m John Petrozzi. Join us next Wednesday night, 6:00. Until then, stay well and stay happy.